Mexico 1782-Mo FF 8 reales - Revision history

LatinKing2020: Text replacement - "* Calicó, Xavier, ''Numismática Española: Catálogo General con Precios de Todas las Monedas Españolas Acuñadas desde Los Reyes Católicos Hasta Juan Carlos I, 1474 a 2001,'' Barcelona: Aureo & Calicó, 2008. " to "* Calicó, Xavier, ''Numismática Española: Catálogo General con Precios de Todas las Monedas Españolas Acuñadas desde Los Reyes Católicos Hasta Felipe VI, 1474 a 2020,'' Barcelona: Aureo & Calicó, 2019. "

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Text replacement - "* Calicó, Xavier, ''Numismática Española: Catálogo General con Precios de Todas las Monedas Españolas Acuñadas desde Los Reyes Católicos Hasta Juan Carlos I, 1474 a 2001,'' Barcelona: Aureo & Calicó, 2008. " to "* Calicó, Xavier, ''Numismática Española: Catálogo General con Precios de Todas las Monedas Españolas Acuñadas desde Los Reyes Católicos Hasta Felipe VI, 1474 a 2020,'' Barcelona: Aureo & Calicó, 2019. "

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Text replacement - "* 1783 8 reales" to "* 1783-FF 8 reales * 1783-FM 8 reales"

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LatinKing2020: Text replacement - " .903 fine" to " 0.903 fine"

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[[Image:Mexico 1782 8 reales Aureo 238-0339g.jpg|550px|thumb|Aureo sale 238, lot 339]]
[[Image:Mexico 1782Mo 8 reales obv DSLR.jpg|300px|thumb|from the Mountain Groan Collection]]
[[Image:Mexico 1782Mo 8 reales rev DSLR.jpg|300px|thumb]]

The first specimen was lot 339 in Aureo & Calicó sale 238 (Barcelona, November 2011), where it sold for ___ euro (about US$___ including buyer's fees). The catalog description[1] noted, <blockquote>"''1782. México. FF. 8 reales. Parte de brillo original. MBC+/EBC-.'' (eight reales of 1782, Mexico City mint. Some luster, choice very fine to extremely fine.)"</blockquote> Assayer FF is recorded for the years 1777-84. The dollar that George Washington allegedly threw over the Potomac could have been of this type. Harris[2] notes that the [[Mexico]] City eight reales is by far the most abundant coin of Charles III. The next most common issue, the two reales from Mexico City, is less than half as common.

''Recorded mintage:'' unknown but common.

''Specification:'' 27.07 grams, .903 fine silver, .785 troy oz ASW.

''Catalog reference:'' Cal. 932, KM 106.2.

''[[Bibliography|Sources:]]''
* [2]Harris, Robert P., ''Pillars & Portraits,'' San José, CA: Bonanza Press, 1968.
* Michael, Thomas, ''Standard Catalog of World Coins, 1701-1800, 7th ed.,'' Iola, WI: Krause Publications, 2016.
* [1]Sisó, Teresa, Eduardo Domingo and Lluís Lalana, ''Subasta Colleción Leunda,'' Barcelona: Aureo & Calicó Subastas Numismáticas, 2011.
* Elizondo, Carlos A., ''Eight Reales and Pesos of the New World,'' San Antonio, TX: 1968.
* Raymond, Wayte, ''The Silver Dollars of North and South America, 2nd Ed.,'' Racine, WI: Whitman Publishing, 1964.

''Link to:''
* [[Mexico 1781-Mo FF 8 reales|1781 8 reales]]
* [[Mexico 1782-Mo FF 1/2 real|1782 ½ real]]
* [[Mexico 1782-Mo FF 2 reales|1782 2 reales]]
* [[Mexico 1782-Mo FF 4 reales|1782 4 reales]]
* [[Bolivia 1782-PTS PR 8 reales]]
* [[Mexico 1782-Mo FF 8 escudos|1782 8 escudos]]
* [[Peru 1782-L MI 8 reales]]
* [[Mexico 1782-Mo FF 2 escudos|1782 2 escudos]]
* [[Mexico 1783-Mo FF 8 reales|1783 8 reales]]
* [[Coins and currency dated 1782]]
* return to [[Mexican colonial coinage, 1536-1822]]

[[Category:Bust Coinage]][[Category:Silver pesos of Mexico]][[Category: Selections from Aureo sale 238]][[Category:Selections from the Mountain Groan Collection]]

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 * <sup>[2]</sup>Harris, Robert P., ''Pillars & Portraits,'' San José, CA: Bonanza Press, 1968.
 * Cayón, Adolfo, Clemente Cayón and Juan Cayón, ''Las Monedas Españolas, del Tremis al Euro: del 411 a Nuestros Dias, 2 volumes,'' Madrid: Cayón-Jano S.L., 2005.
-* Calicó, Xavier, ''Numismática Española: Catálogo General con Precios de Todas las Monedas Españolas Acuñadas desde Los Reyes Católicos Hasta Juan Carlos I, 1474 a 2001,'' Barcelona: Aureo & Calicó, 2008.
+* Calicó, Xavier, ''Numismática Española: Catálogo General con Precios de Todas las Monedas Españolas Acuñadas desde Los Reyes Católicos Hasta Felipe VI, 1474 a 2020,'' Barcelona: Aureo & Calicó, 2019.
 * Michael, Thomas, ''Standard Catalog of World Coins, 1701-1800, 7th ed.,'' Iola, WI: Krause Publications, 2016.
 * <sup>[1]</sup>Sisó, Teresa, Eduardo Domingo and Lluís Lalana, ''Subasta Colleción Leunda,'' Barcelona: Aureo & Calicó Subastas Numismáticas, 2011.

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 [[Image:Mexico 1782Mo 8 reales obv DSLR.jpg|300px|thumb|from the Mountain Groan Collection]]
 [[Image:Mexico 1782Mo 8 reales rev DSLR.jpg|300px|thumb]]
-[[Image:SB824-44150o.jpg|300px|thumb|from the Stack's Bowers 2024 ANA sale, lot 44150]]
+[[Image:SB824-44171o.jpg|300px|thumb|from the Stack's Bowers 2024 ANA sale, lot 44171]]
-[[Image:SB824-44150r.jpg|300px|thumb]]
+[[Image:SB824-44171r.jpg|300px|thumb]]
 The first specimen was lot 339 in Aureo & Calicó sale 238 (Barcelona, November 2011), where it sold for ___ euro (about US$___ including buyer's fees). The catalog description<sup>[1]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"''1782. México. FF. 8 reales. Parte de brillo original. MBC+/EBC-.'' (eight reales of 1782, Mexico City mint. Some luster, choice very fine to extremely fine.)"</blockquote> Assayer FF is recorded for the years 1777-84. The dollar that George Washington allegedly threw over the Potomac could have been of this type. Harris<sup>[2]</sup> notes that the [[Mexico]] City eight reales is by far the most abundant coin of Charles III. The next most common issue, the two reales from Mexico City, is less than half as common. The third specimen was lot 44171 in Stack's Bowers ANA sale (Chicago, August 2024), where it sold for $26,400. The catalog description<sup>[3]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"Exceptionally Rare Engraver's Mistake Recovered from the ''El Cazador'' Shipwreck, MEXICO. Mint Error -- Inverted Date -- 8 Reales, '1872'-Mo FF (1782). Mexico City Mint. Charles III. NGC VF Details--Sea Salvaged. Presenting a remarkable engraver's mistake, whereby the celator transposed the middle two digits of the date, this EXTREMELY RARE issue, one of only four known and all of which were recovered from the ''El Cazador'' wreck--at first seems futuristic, as it evokes a period some 90 years later during the Mexican Republic. In fact, this crown had long since been submerged, going down with the ''El Cazador'' ship when it sank in early 1784. Some moderate corrosion is noticed throughout the surfaces from prolonged saltwater immersion, but isn't really a distraction, while the highly erroneous date remains clear and bold. When taking into account its status as a sea salvaged piece from a famous wreck along with its stunning error date, it becomes easy to recognize its unicorn nature in terms of unrivaled appeal and historical importance.

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 [[Image:Mexico 1782Mo 8 reales obv DSLR.jpg|300px|thumb|from the Mountain Groan Collection]]
 [[Image:Mexico 1782Mo 8 reales rev DSLR.jpg|300px|thumb]]
-The first specimen was lot 339 in Aureo & Calicó sale 238 (Barcelona, November 2011), where it sold for ___ euro (about US$___ including buyer's fees). The catalog description<sup>[1]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"''1782. México. FF. 8 reales. Parte de brillo original. MBC+/EBC-.'' (eight reales of 1782, Mexico City mint. Some luster, choice very fine to extremely fine.)"</blockquote> Assayer FF is recorded for the years 1777-84. The dollar that George Washington allegedly threw over the Potomac could have been of this type. Harris<sup>[2]</sup> notes that the [[Mexico]] City eight reales is by far the most abundant coin of Charles III. The next most common issue, the two reales from Mexico City, is less than half as common.
+The first specimen was lot 339 in Aureo & Calicó sale 238 (Barcelona, November 2011), where it sold for ___ euro (about US$___ including buyer's fees). The catalog description<sup>[1]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"''1782. México. FF. 8 reales. Parte de brillo original. MBC+/EBC-.'' (eight reales of 1782, Mexico City mint. Some luster, choice very fine to extremely fine.)"</blockquote> Assayer FF is recorded for the years 1777-84. The dollar that George Washington allegedly threw over the Potomac could have been of this type. Harris<sup>[2]</sup> notes that the [[Mexico]] City eight reales is by far the most abundant coin of Charles III. The next most common issue, the two reales from Mexico City, is less than half as common. The third specimen was lot 44171 in Stack's Bowers ANA sale (Chicago, August 2024), where it sold for $26,400. The catalog description<sup>[3]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"Exceptionally Rare Engraver's Mistake Recovered from the ''El Cazador'' Shipwreck, MEXICO. Mint Error -- Inverted Date -- 8 Reales, '1872'-Mo FF (1782). Mexico City Mint. Charles III. NGC VF Details--Sea Salvaged. Presenting a remarkable engraver's mistake, whereby the celator transposed the middle two digits of the date, this EXTREMELY RARE issue, one of only four known and all of which were recovered from the ''El Cazador'' wreck--at first seems futuristic, as it evokes a period some 90 years later during the Mexican Republic. In fact, this crown had long since been submerged, going down with the ''El Cazador'' ship when it sank in early 1784. Some moderate corrosion is noticed throughout the surfaces from prolonged saltwater immersion, but isn't really a distraction, while the highly erroneous date remains clear and bold. When taking into account its status as a sea salvaged piece from a famous wreck along with its stunning error date, it becomes easy to recognize its unicorn nature in terms of unrivaled appeal and historical importance.
 ''Recorded mintage:'' unknown but common.
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 ''Specification:'' 27.07 grams, 0.903 fine silver, .785 troy oz ASW.
-''Catalog reference:'' [[Spanish and Spanish colonial coins listed by Cayón number|Cayón-12085]], Cal. 932, KM 106.2.
+''Catalog reference:'' [[Spanish and Spanish colonial coins listed by Cayón number|Cayón-12085]], Cal. 932, KM 106.2. The second specimen cf. Cal-1122 (same); Yonaka-M8-82a (plate coin).
 ''[[Bibliography|Sources:]]''
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 * Elizondo, Carlos A., ''Eight Reales and Pesos of the New World,'' San Antonio, TX: 1968.
 * Raymond, Wayte, ''The Silver Dollars of North and South America, 2nd Ed.,'' Racine, WI: Whitman Publishing, 1964.
+* <sup>[3]</sup>Orsini, Matt, Kyle Ponterio and Jeremy Bostwick, ''August 2024 Global Showcase Auction, World & Ancient Coins, featuring The Emilio M. Ortiz Collection, The Richard Margolis Collection and The Rutherford Collection,'' Costa Mesa, CA: Stack's Bowers Galleries, Inc., 2024.
 ''Link to:''
 * [[Mexico 1781-Mo FF 8 reales|1781 8 reales]]
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 * return to [[Mexican colonial coinage, 1536-1822]]
-[[Category:Bust Coinage]][[Category:Silver pesos of Mexico]][[Category: Selections from Aureo sale 238]][[Category:Selections from the Mountain Groan Collection]]
+[[Category:Bust Coinage]][[Category:Silver pesos of Mexico]][[Category: Selections from Aureo sale 238]][[Category:Selections from the Mountain Groan Collection]][[Category:Selections from the Stack's Bowers 2024 ANA sale]]

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 ''Recorded mintage:'' unknown but common.
-''Specification:'' 27.07 grams, .903 fine silver, .785 troy oz ASW.
+''Specification:'' 27.07 grams, 0.903 fine silver, .785 troy oz ASW.
 ''Catalog reference:'' [[Spanish and Spanish colonial coins listed by Cayón number|Cayón-12085]], Cal. 932, KM 106.2.

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 * [[Mexico 1782-Mo FF 8 escudos|1782 8 escudos]]
 * [[Mexico 1782-Mo FF 2 escudos|1782 2 escudos]]
-* [[Mexico 1783-Mo FF 8 reales|1783 8 reales]]
+* [[Mexico 1783-Mo FF 8 reales|1783-FF 8 reales]]
 * [[Coins and currency dated 1782]]
 * return to [[Mexican colonial coinage, 1536-1822]]
 [[Category:Bust Coinage]][[Category:Silver pesos of Mexico]][[Category: Selections from Aureo sale 238]][[Category:Selections from the Mountain Groan Collection]][[Category:Selections from the Stack's Bowers 2024 ANA sale]]