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[[Image:JE146-1219.jpg|550px|thumb|Jean Elsen sale 146, lot 1219]]

This specimen was lot 1219 in Jean Elsen sale 146 (Brussels, November 2020), where it sold for €140 (about US$204 including buyer's fees). The catalog description<sup>[1]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"''VLAANDEREN, Graafschap, Jan zonder Vrees (1404-1419), AR dubbele groot braspenning, 1409-1416, Gent. 1e uitgifte. Λ zonder dwarsstreep. Vz/ Wapenschilden van Bourgondië en Vlaanderen, daarboven toernooihelm. Kz/ Kruis met in de hoeken lelies en leeuwen. Interpunctie met : op vz. en : op kz. Zeer Fraai.'' ([[Netherlands, Spanish|county of Flanders]], John the Fearless, 1404-19, silver double groat, Ghent mint, first issue. Obverse: helmeted arms of Burgundy and Flanders; reverse: cross cantonned with lilies and lions. Both sides punctuated with colons. Very Fine.)"</blockquote> Jean was duke of Burgundy when in 1407, he arranged the murder of the duke of Orleans, setting off a civil war in France between his faction and the Armagnacs. He did not participate in the battle of Agincourt in 1415 which allowed Henry V of England to occupy northern France. He was lured to a meeting with his rival, the dauphin Charles, and murdered in 1419. This dubbele groot was accompanied by a groot and halve groot.

''Recorded mintage:'' unknown.

''Specification:'' silver or billon, this specimen 4,68 g.

''Catalog reference:'' D.d.P. 10, 26; Martiny, Gent, 80.

''[[Bibliography|Source:]]''
* Michael, Thomas, ''Standard Catalog of World Coins, 1701-1800, 7th ed.,'' Iola, WI: Krause Publications, 2016..
* Davenport, John S., ''European Crowns, 1700-1800, 2nd Ed.,'' London: Spink & Son, 1964.
* Friedberg, Arthur L. and Ira S. Friedberg, ''Gold Coins of the World, From Ancient Times to the Present, 9th ed.,'' Clifton, NJ: Coin and Currency Institute, 2017.
* van der Wis, Jan, and Tom Passon, ''Catalogus van de Nederlandse Munten geslagen sind bet aantreden van Philips II tot aan het einde van de Bataafse Republiek (1555-1806), 2nd ed.,'' Apeldoorn, Netherlands: Omni-Trading b.v., 2009.
* Delmonte, A., ''Le Bénélux D'or,'' Amsterdam: Jacques Schulman N.V., 1964, with supplements to 1977.
* <sup>[1]</sup>Elsen, Philippe, et al., ''Vente Publique 146: Collection Anthony Lorrain Monnaies de Metz'', Brussels: Jean Elsen et ses Fils S.A., 2020.

''Link to:''
* [[Flanders (1365-67) 2 groat|(1365-67) ''dubbele groot (plak)'']]
* [[Flanders (1409-16) 1/2 groat|(1409-16) ''halve groot braspenning'']]
* [[Flanders (1417-18) 2 groat|(1417-18) ''dubbele groot braspenning'']]
* [[Coins and currency dated 1409]]

[[Category:Selections from Jean Elsen sale 146]][[Category:Coinage of the Dutch provinces]]

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 ''Link to:''
 * [[Flanders (1365-67) 2 groat|(1365-67) ''dubbele groot (plak)'']]
-* [[Brabant (1409) 1/2 gros]] Vilvorde mint
+* [[Brabant (1409) 1/2 gros|(1409) ''demi-gros botdrager'', Vilvorde mint]]
 * [[Flanders (1409-16) 1/2 groat|(1409-16) ''halve groot braspenning'']]
 * [[Brabant (1410-12) 2 gros|Brabant (1410-12) ''double gros botdrager'', Louvain mint]]

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	This specimen was lot 1219 in Jean Elsen sale 146 (Brussels, November 2020), where it sold for €140 (about US$204 including buyer's fees). The catalog description<sup>[1]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"''VLAANDEREN, Graafschap, Jan zonder Vrees (1404-1419), AR dubbele groot braspenning, 1409-1416, Gent. 1e uitgifte. Λ zonder dwarsstreep. Vz/ Wapenschilden van Bourgondië en Vlaanderen, daarboven toernooihelm. Kz/ Kruis met in de hoeken lelies en leeuwen. Interpunctie met : op vz. en : op kz. Zeer Fraai.'' ([[Netherlands, Spanish\|county of Flanders]], John the Fearless, 1404-19, silver double groat, Ghent mint, first issue. Obverse: helmeted arms of Burgundy and Flanders; reverse: cross cantonned with lilies and lions. Both sides punctuated with colons. Very Fine.)"</blockquote> Jean was duke of Burgundy when in 1407, he arranged the murder of the duke of Orleans, setting off a civil war in France between his faction and the Armagnacs. He did not participate in the battle of Agincourt in 1415 which allowed Henry V of England to occupy northern France. He was lured to a meeting with his rival, the dauphin Charles, and murdered in 1419. This dubbele groot was accompanied by a groot and halve groot.		This specimen was lot 1219 in Jean Elsen sale 146 (Brussels, November 2020), where it sold for €140 (about US$204 including buyer's fees). The catalog description<sup>[1]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"''VLAANDEREN, Graafschap, Jan zonder Vrees (1404-1419), AR dubbele groot braspenning, 1409-1416, Gent. 1e uitgifte. Λ zonder dwarsstreep. Vz/ Wapenschilden van Bourgondië en Vlaanderen, daarboven toernooihelm. Kz/ Kruis met in de hoeken lelies en leeuwen. Interpunctie met : op vz. en : op kz. Zeer Fraai.'' ([[Netherlands, Spanish\|county of Flanders]], John the Fearless, 1404-19, silver double groat, Ghent mint, first issue. Obverse: helmeted arms of Burgundy and Flanders; reverse: cross cantonned with lilies and lions. Both sides punctuated with colons. Very Fine.)"</blockquote> Jean was duke of Burgundy when in 1407, he arranged the murder of the duke of Orleans, setting off a civil war in France between his faction and the Armagnacs. He did not participate in the battle of Agincourt in 1415 which allowed Henry V of England to occupy northern France. He was lured to a meeting with his rival, the dauphin Charles, and murdered in 1419. This dubbele groot was accompanied by a groot and halve groot.

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	[[Image:JE146-1219.jpg\|550px\|thumb\|Jean Elsen sale 146, lot 1219]]		[[Image:JE146-1219.jpg\|550px\|thumb\|Jean Elsen sale 146, lot 1219]]
		+	[[File:Ebay logo.jpg\|thumb\|[https://ebay.us/KP3WUq Flanders coins purchased through this affiliate link earn us commissions at no cost to you]]]

	This specimen was lot 1219 in Jean Elsen sale 146 (Brussels, November 2020), where it sold for €140 (about US$204 including buyer's fees). The catalog description<sup>[1]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"''VLAANDEREN, Graafschap, Jan zonder Vrees (1404-1419), AR dubbele groot braspenning, 1409-1416, Gent. 1e uitgifte. Λ zonder dwarsstreep. Vz/ Wapenschilden van Bourgondië en Vlaanderen, daarboven toernooihelm. Kz/ Kruis met in de hoeken lelies en leeuwen. Interpunctie met : op vz. en : op kz. Zeer Fraai.'' ([[Netherlands, Spanish\|county of Flanders]], John the Fearless, 1404-19, silver double groat, Ghent mint, first issue. Obverse: helmeted arms of Burgundy and Flanders; reverse: cross cantonned with lilies and lions. Both sides punctuated with colons. Very Fine.)"</blockquote> Jean was duke of Burgundy when in 1407, he arranged the murder of the duke of Orleans, setting off a civil war in France between his faction and the Armagnacs. He did not participate in the battle of Agincourt in 1415 which allowed Henry V of England to occupy northern France. He was lured to a meeting with his rival, the dauphin Charles, and murdered in 1419. This dubbele groot was accompanied by a groot and halve groot.		This specimen was lot 1219 in Jean Elsen sale 146 (Brussels, November 2020), where it sold for €140 (about US$204 including buyer's fees). The catalog description<sup>[1]</sup> noted, <blockquote>"''VLAANDEREN, Graafschap, Jan zonder Vrees (1404-1419), AR dubbele groot braspenning, 1409-1416, Gent. 1e uitgifte. Λ zonder dwarsstreep. Vz/ Wapenschilden van Bourgondië en Vlaanderen, daarboven toernooihelm. Kz/ Kruis met in de hoeken lelies en leeuwen. Interpunctie met : op vz. en : op kz. Zeer Fraai.'' ([[Netherlands, Spanish\|county of Flanders]], John the Fearless, 1404-19, silver double groat, Ghent mint, first issue. Obverse: helmeted arms of Burgundy and Flanders; reverse: cross cantonned with lilies and lions. Both sides punctuated with colons. Very Fine.)"</blockquote> Jean was duke of Burgundy when in 1407, he arranged the murder of the duke of Orleans, setting off a civil war in France between his faction and the Armagnacs. He did not participate in the battle of Agincourt in 1415 which allowed Henry V of England to occupy northern France. He was lured to a meeting with his rival, the dauphin Charles, and murdered in 1419. This dubbele groot was accompanied by a groot and halve groot.

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 * [[Brabant (1409) 1/2 gros]] Vilvorde mint
 * [[Flanders (1409-16) 1/2 groat|(1409-16) ''halve groot braspenning'']]
-* [[Brabant (1410-12) 2 gros|(1410-12) ''double gros botdrager'', Louvain mint]]
+* [[Brabant (1410-12) 2 gros|Brabant (1410-12) ''double gros botdrager'', Louvain mint]]
 * [[Flanders (1417-18) 2 groat|(1417-18) ''dubbele groot braspenning'']]
 * [[Coins and currency dated 1409]]
 [[Category:Selections from Jean Elsen sale 146]][[Category:Coinage of the Dutch provinces]]

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 ''Specification:'' silver or billon, this specimen 4,68 g.
-''Catalog reference:'' D.d.P. 10, 26; Martiny, Gent, 80.
+''Catalog reference:'' D.d.P. 10, 26; Martiny, Gent, 80, Roberts-7781.
 ''[[Bibliography|Source:]]''
-* Michael, Thomas, ''Standard Catalog of World Coins, 1701-1800, 7th ed.,'' Iola, WI: Krause Publications, 2016..
+* Roberts, James N., ''The Silver Coins of Medieval France (476-1610 AD),'' S. Salem, NY: Attic Books, 1996.
 * <sup>[1]</sup>Elsen, Philippe, et al., ''Vente Publique 146: Collection Anthony Lorrain Monnaies de Metz'', Brussels: Jean Elsen et ses Fils S.A., 2020.
 ''Link to:''
 * [[Flanders (1365-67) 2 groat|(1365-67) ''dubbele groot (plak)'']]
 * [[Flanders (1409-16) 1/2 groat|(1409-16) ''halve groot braspenning'']]
 * [[Flanders (1417-18) 2 groat|(1417-18) ''dubbele groot braspenning'']]

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 * Davenport, John S., ''European Crowns, 1700-1800, 2nd Ed.,'' London: Spink & Son, 1964.
 * Friedberg, Arthur L. and Ira S. Friedberg, ''Gold Coins of the World, From Ancient Times to the Present, 9th ed.,'' Clifton, NJ: Coin and Currency Institute, 2017.
-* van der Wis, Jan, and Tom Passon, ''Catalogus van de Nederlandse Munten geslagen sind bet aantreden van Philips II tot aan het einde van de Bataafse Republiek (1555-1806), 2nd ed.,'' Apeldoorn, Netherlands: Omni-Trading b.v., 2009.
+* van Gelder, H. Enno, and Marcel Hoc, ''Les Monnaies des pays-Bas Bourguignons et Espagnols, 1434-1713,'' Amsterdam, J. Schulman, 1960, with supplement of 1964.
 * Delmonte, A., ''Le Bénélux D'or,'' Amsterdam: Jacques Schulman N.V., 1964, with supplements to 1977.
 * <sup>[1]</sup>Elsen, Philippe, et al., ''Vente Publique 146: Collection Anthony Lorrain Monnaies de Metz'', Brussels: Jean Elsen et ses Fils S.A., 2020.